Comments on: The business case for blog trips: a bloggers’ dilemma https://www.501places.com/2011/07/the-business-case-for-blog-trips-the-bloggers-dilemma/ Sharing the world with you Sat, 28 Apr 2012 11:45:41 +0000 hourly 1 By: Andy Jarosz https://www.501places.com/2011/07/the-business-case-for-blog-trips-the-bloggers-dilemma/#comment-49369 Andy Jarosz Fri, 12 Aug 2011 22:04:39 +0000 https://www.501places.com/?p=6478#comment-49369 Hi Kat, thanks for sharing your valuable thoughts. Re: payment for blog trips, I think we should differentiate between those trips where organisers want trip attendees to produce content for the travel company/tourist board blog (payment ok as it's fundamentally no different from traditional journalist model) and those where content is to be produced for blogger's own site (not ok). Most arrangement work along the latter model, but it's not always the case. Hi Kat, thanks for sharing your valuable thoughts. Re: payment for blog trips, I think we should differentiate between those trips where organisers want trip attendees to produce content for the travel company/tourist board blog (payment ok as it’s fundamentally no different from traditional journalist model) and those where content is to be produced for blogger’s own site (not ok). Most arrangement work along the latter model, but it’s not always the case.

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By: Kat https://www.501places.com/2011/07/the-business-case-for-blog-trips-the-bloggers-dilemma/#comment-49353 Kat Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:23:57 +0000 https://www.501places.com/?p=6478#comment-49353 It is an interesting dilemma, and it needs to come to the forefront more often. I see the other side of it -- locations that aren't interested in coverage I might provide because the word "blogger" is listed in my job description, despite the fact that most of my paychecks come from traditional publishing houses. Then again, my model is a little different. I have a two-prong approach -- selling article ideas up, writing them and then posting them to my blog (magazines and newspapers receive first print and web rights only) or having a publisher contact me and purchasing an article from my website I approach blogging as a full time business, and while I appreciate the locations that are willing to put me up for a few nights here and there I have to justify being in that area with article sales ahead of that particular trip. As far as accepting payment for attending a "blogger trip?" NO. NO NO NO NO NO. I guess it's the old school journalist in me (I was in TV for 12 years and radio for 4 years before this particular journey in life) and that just sounds like purchasing influence. I would suggest in any case like this that the requesting property or business purchase advertising on my website, but said company would have no editorial say in what I write. And that, I see, is a problem for others. Yes, the blogosphere has allowed those with a penchant for writing who might lack a journalistic background to have their voices heard far and wide, but how do you separate the wheat from the chaff of truth in said blogs? On any particular search of a location, property or such -- how is one to know whether the blog put out in the ether is written by a professional, be it a journalist or writer or blogger -- or whether it's put out there by someone handling advertising or public relations for the company represented in said article? We walk a thin and mostly undefined line here. In a world where most of our potential employers (I am referring to bloggers who are paid for their work by a separate entity) never see us face to face, all we have to back us up is our name and experience. I fear if we muddy the editorial waters with pay from destinations, we erode our credibility. It is an interesting dilemma, and it needs to come to the forefront more often. I see the other side of it — locations that aren’t interested in coverage I might provide because the word “blogger” is listed in my job description, despite the fact that most of my paychecks come from traditional publishing houses.

Then again, my model is a little different. I have a two-prong approach — selling article ideas up, writing them and then posting them to my blog (magazines and newspapers receive first print and web rights only) or having a publisher contact me and purchasing an article from my website I approach blogging as a full time business, and while I appreciate the locations that are willing to put me up for a few nights here and there I have to justify being in that area with article sales ahead of that particular trip.

As far as accepting payment for attending a “blogger trip?” NO. NO NO NO NO NO. I guess it’s the old school journalist in me (I was in TV for 12 years and radio for 4 years before this particular journey in life) and that just sounds like purchasing influence. I would suggest in any case like this that the requesting property or business purchase advertising on my website, but said company would have no editorial say in what I write.

And that, I see, is a problem for others. Yes, the blogosphere has allowed those with a penchant for writing who might lack a journalistic background to have their voices heard far and wide, but how do you separate the wheat from the chaff of truth in said blogs? On any particular search of a location, property or such — how is one to know whether the blog put out in the ether is written by a professional, be it a journalist or writer or blogger — or whether it’s put out there by someone handling advertising or public relations for the company represented in said article?

We walk a thin and mostly undefined line here. In a world where most of our potential employers (I am referring to bloggers who are paid for their work by a separate entity) never see us face to face, all we have to back us up is our name and experience. I fear if we muddy the editorial waters with pay from destinations, we erode our credibility.

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By: 5 Successful Travel Bloggers Discuss Money and Travel Blogging https://www.501places.com/2011/07/the-business-case-for-blog-trips-the-bloggers-dilemma/#comment-45338 5 Successful Travel Bloggers Discuss Money and Travel Blogging Wed, 27 Jul 2011 11:31:26 +0000 https://www.501places.com/?p=6478#comment-45338 [...] of what is your ultimate goal with your blog, and where you see your money coming from. Check out The Business Case for Blog Trips and the Bloggers Dilemma and let us know if you think they are a good or bad idea for your [...] [...] of what is your ultimate goal with your blog, and where you see your money coming from. Check out The Business Case for Blog Trips and the Bloggers Dilemma and let us know if you think they are a good or bad idea for your [...]

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By: What can Travel Bloggers and Travel PRs learn from each other? https://www.501places.com/2011/07/the-business-case-for-blog-trips-the-bloggers-dilemma/#comment-44959 What can Travel Bloggers and Travel PRs learn from each other? Mon, 25 Jul 2011 22:17:21 +0000 https://www.501places.com/?p=6478#comment-44959 [...] What Andy Jaroz had to say; The business case for blog trips; A bloggers’ dilemma [...] [...] What Andy Jaroz had to say; The business case for blog trips; A bloggers’ dilemma [...]

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By: Gary Arndt https://www.501places.com/2011/07/the-business-case-for-blog-trips-the-bloggers-dilemma/#comment-44892 Gary Arndt Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:00:27 +0000 https://www.501places.com/?p=6478#comment-44892 I'm not advocating paying bloggers for trips, but I would like to point out something... With a traditional magazine, the editorial and advertising is separate. There is no question of paying a writer because someone else is paying them with revenue earned from the other side of the company which might be selling ads space to the very people who are providing the trips. The problem with blogs is that there is no other side. No one is buying ads. They only think in terms of "earned media" and no one is thinking to pay blogs anything for their audience. This issue of paying bloggers is coming up because no one is willing buy advertising or have any other sort of relationship with them other than dealing with them as a source of free publicity. That isn't how the print media world works. Much of the interaction with bloggers is happening through the world of PR which isn't used to paying for anything. Ad agencies did that. PR is supposed to get exposure for free. So, while I'm not advocating bloggers get paid for trips, I do understand why people at talking about it. It is our primary contact with the industry. Bloggers do need to be VERY firm about working with DMO's and companies for free. I've recently seen a ton of posts promoting San Antonio tourism. They contacted me but weren't willing to pay anything for my promotion. I turned them down and a few weeks later I see a ton of bloggers giving them free advertising by running their contest. I’m not advocating paying bloggers for trips, but I would like to point out something…

With a traditional magazine, the editorial and advertising is separate. There is no question of paying a writer because someone else is paying them with revenue earned from the other side of the company which might be selling ads space to the very people who are providing the trips.

The problem with blogs is that there is no other side. No one is buying ads. They only think in terms of “earned media” and no one is thinking to pay blogs anything for their audience.

This issue of paying bloggers is coming up because no one is willing buy advertising or have any other sort of relationship with them other than dealing with them as a source of free publicity. That isn’t how the print media world works.

Much of the interaction with bloggers is happening through the world of PR which isn’t used to paying for anything. Ad agencies did that. PR is supposed to get exposure for free.

So, while I’m not advocating bloggers get paid for trips, I do understand why people at talking about it. It is our primary contact with the industry.

Bloggers do need to be VERY firm about working with DMO’s and companies for free. I’ve recently seen a ton of posts promoting San Antonio tourism. They contacted me but weren’t willing to pay anything for my promotion. I turned them down and a few weeks later I see a ton of bloggers giving them free advertising by running their contest.

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By: Why travel bloggers need to start thinking like editors « Grumpy Traveller https://www.501places.com/2011/07/the-business-case-for-blog-trips-the-bloggers-dilemma/#comment-44863 Why travel bloggers need to start thinking like editors « Grumpy Traveller Mon, 25 Jul 2011 08:28:47 +0000 https://www.501places.com/?p=6478#comment-44863 [...] Jarosz recently wrote about the business case (or lack of) for blogger junkets. Darren ‘Travel Rants’ Cronian is busy [...] [...] Jarosz recently wrote about the business case (or lack of) for blogger junkets. Darren ‘Travel Rants’ Cronian is busy [...]

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By: Simon https://www.501places.com/2011/07/the-business-case-for-blog-trips-the-bloggers-dilemma/#comment-44648 Simon Sun, 24 Jul 2011 08:16:37 +0000 https://www.501places.com/?p=6478#comment-44648 Andy, you really raised a great point and I've read lots of additional interesting inputs. Before becoming a 'Travel Blogger' (as English is not my native speaking language I would never dare calling myself a 'Writer', seriously) I worked for many years in a large multinational PR firm. Indeed, ROI is not an issue. It is THE issue. And measurement tools are still far to be precise. Each one of the parties involved is implicitly thinking at ROI. No matter if Investment stands for money or time. I really appreciated you raising the point of Travel Bloggers/Writers thinking about their personal ROI. I might be wrong, but my feeling is that too often Travel Bloggers/Writers are not really focusing on that point before deciding if they will accept or not an invitation to a Blog Trip. As long as Travel Bloggers/Writers won't be fully aware of their value, they won't be able to get it fully recognized by PR agencies, Tourism Boards or whoever. Last but not least, it's all a matter of positioning. In a professional environment, 'free' is never an option. I know, and I'm sorry, that this might sound cynical. But truth is that what comes for free, or just 'pocket money', isn't worth that much. In the long term, only win-win situation can lead to really effective and measurable results. For all the parties involved. Andy, you really raised a great point and I’ve read lots of additional interesting inputs.
Before becoming a ‘Travel Blogger’ (as English is not my native speaking language I would never dare calling myself a ‘Writer’, seriously) I worked for many years in a large multinational PR firm. Indeed, ROI is not an issue. It is THE issue. And measurement tools are still far to be precise.
Each one of the parties involved is implicitly thinking at ROI. No matter if Investment stands for money or time.

I really appreciated you raising the point of Travel Bloggers/Writers thinking about their personal ROI. I might be wrong, but my feeling is that too often Travel Bloggers/Writers are not really focusing on that point before deciding if they will accept or not an invitation to a Blog Trip.
As long as Travel Bloggers/Writers won’t be fully aware of their value, they won’t be able to get it fully recognized by PR agencies, Tourism Boards or whoever.

Last but not least, it’s all a matter of positioning. In a professional environment, ‘free’ is never an option. I know, and I’m sorry, that this might sound cynical. But truth is that what comes for free, or just ‘pocket money’, isn’t worth that much.

In the long term, only win-win situation can lead to really effective and measurable results. For all the parties involved.

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By: Stephanie - The Travel Chica https://www.501places.com/2011/07/the-business-case-for-blog-trips-the-bloggers-dilemma/#comment-44578 Stephanie - The Travel Chica Sun, 24 Jul 2011 00:43:16 +0000 https://www.501places.com/?p=6478#comment-44578 Very thoughtful post. I have not yet been in a position to think about the ROI of a hosted trip, but I will definitely think back on this post when I am. Very thoughtful post. I have not yet been in a position to think about the ROI of a hosted trip, but I will definitely think back on this post when I am.

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By: Oliver - Travel Bloggers Unite https://www.501places.com/2011/07/the-business-case-for-blog-trips-the-bloggers-dilemma/#comment-44512 Oliver - Travel Bloggers Unite Sat, 23 Jul 2011 18:48:39 +0000 https://www.501places.com/?p=6478#comment-44512 You don't need to "write like a journalist" to write a good blog You don’t need to “write like a journalist” to write a good blog

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By: Barbara Weibel https://www.501places.com/2011/07/the-business-case-for-blog-trips-the-bloggers-dilemma/#comment-44433 Barbara Weibel Sat, 23 Jul 2011 12:12:49 +0000 https://www.501places.com/?p=6478#comment-44433 Excellent article, Andy. I take fewer ad fewer press trips. The only time I accept one is when it is to a place I WANT to go. Any other offer will take me off my schedule and basically cost me money and time, especially since the PR firms and CVB's that arrange them want to cram every second with activity. When that happens, I can't write, much less develop story ideas, and it takes me a couple of weeks to recover. I've started making some rules - no one night stays to begin with, and at least 25% of the time unscheduled. Excellent article, Andy. I take fewer ad fewer press trips. The only time I accept one is when it is to a place I WANT to go. Any other offer will take me off my schedule and basically cost me money and time, especially since the PR firms and CVB’s that arrange them want to cram every second with activity. When that happens, I can’t write, much less develop story ideas, and it takes me a couple of weeks to recover. I’ve started making some rules – no one night stays to begin with, and at least 25% of the time unscheduled.

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