Comments on: Burma, Tibet, China, Egypt: what makes a country worthy of a boycott? https://www.501places.com/2011/02/burma-tibet-china-egypt-what-makes-a-country-worthy-of-a-boycott/ Sharing the world with you Tue, 29 Mar 2011 03:23:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: Andy Jarosz https://www.501places.com/2011/02/burma-tibet-china-egypt-what-makes-a-country-worthy-of-a-boycott/#comment-31211 Andy Jarosz Wed, 02 Mar 2011 10:13:14 +0000 https://www.501places.com/?p=4768#comment-31211 More excellent comments and proof that this is a complex issue. Agree with Abi that cultural exchange doesn't automatically lead to mutual understanding. There needs to be a level of trust to go with it as well. Although that's not a reason not to have those exchanges (and nobody yet has written in favour of boycotts). More excellent comments and proof that this is a complex issue. Agree with Abi that cultural exchange doesn’t automatically lead to mutual understanding. There needs to be a level of trust to go with it as well. Although that’s not a reason not to have those exchanges (and nobody yet has written in favour of boycotts).

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By: Abi https://www.501places.com/2011/02/burma-tibet-china-egypt-what-makes-a-country-worthy-of-a-boycott/#comment-31176 Abi Mon, 28 Feb 2011 20:09:41 +0000 https://www.501places.com/?p=4768#comment-31176 The actual answer to this question is very difficult. But, as wonderful as it sounds, I don't think that the answer is this: “If we have no cultural exchange and no dialogue then how can we mend these gaping wounds of humanity.” I keep coming across this idea among people who love to travel but, sadly, I don't think that it can be true. Cultural exchange and dialogue can lead to hatred as much as it can to understanding and healing. Look at Northern Ireland, the Basque Country, the Gaza Strip...communities who have lived together and exchanged views with each other for centuries...to return to a grisly, antagonistic result. It seems that something more than just dialogue and cultural exchange is required...but if I knew what that missing ingredient was, I'd be the proud owner of a Nobel Prize and the winner of that Miss America dream, World Peace. The actual answer to this question is very difficult. But, as wonderful as it sounds, I don’t think that the answer is this:

“If we have no cultural exchange and no dialogue then how can we mend these gaping wounds of humanity.”

I keep coming across this idea among people who love to travel but, sadly, I don’t think that it can be true. Cultural exchange and dialogue can lead to hatred as much as it can to understanding and healing. Look at Northern Ireland, the Basque Country, the Gaza Strip…communities who have lived together and exchanged views with each other for centuries…to return to a grisly, antagonistic result.
It seems that something more than just dialogue and cultural exchange is required…but if I knew what that missing ingredient was, I’d be the proud owner of a Nobel Prize and the winner of that Miss America dream, World Peace.

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By: Carla https://www.501places.com/2011/02/burma-tibet-china-egypt-what-makes-a-country-worthy-of-a-boycott/#comment-31127 Carla Fri, 25 Feb 2011 20:29:26 +0000 https://www.501places.com/?p=4768#comment-31127 I could care less about who boycotts who. Everybody has different reasons. If we look at travel alerts, a country like Australia has a travel warning now for citizens going to Indonesia, and the US has one for citizens going to Mexico. Boycotts are a bit like that too. It only affects us as travelers if our passport is not very popular in our destination country. As a traveler, I boycott countries myself. I hate countries that discriminate tourists/travelers based on their nationality, making it cheaper or more convenient for certain people to come spend their money, and making it harder for others. I also boycott countries with high visa prices. I don't believe in paying more than 100 dollars for a visa anywhere. But that's just a personal thing. I could care less about who boycotts who. Everybody has different reasons. If we look at travel alerts, a country like Australia has a travel warning now for citizens going to Indonesia, and the US has one for citizens going to Mexico. Boycotts are a bit like that too. It only affects us as travelers if our passport is not very popular in our destination country.
As a traveler, I boycott countries myself. I hate countries that discriminate tourists/travelers based on their nationality, making it cheaper or more convenient for certain people to come spend their money, and making it harder for others. I also boycott countries with high visa prices. I don’t believe in paying more than 100 dollars for a visa anywhere. But that’s just a personal thing.

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By: Carlo Alcos https://www.501places.com/2011/02/burma-tibet-china-egypt-what-makes-a-country-worthy-of-a-boycott/#comment-31126 Carlo Alcos Fri, 25 Feb 2011 17:42:41 +0000 https://www.501places.com/?p=4768#comment-31126 Very thoughtful post Andy. I liked Dan's comment above: "If we have no cultural exchange and no dialogue then how can we mend these gaping wounds of humanity." It's so important that people who go anywhere abroad attempt to seek out what's happening there, try to inform themselves as best they can about the situations. Everyone has their own individual set of moral values. If we inform ourselves, we are better equipped to make the decision for ourselves based on our belief system. I would take anything I hear from any government with a (massive) grain of salt. You have to question their motivations behind boycotts/bans. Very thoughtful post Andy. I liked Dan’s comment above: “If we have no cultural exchange and no dialogue then how can we mend these gaping wounds of humanity.”

It’s so important that people who go anywhere abroad attempt to seek out what’s happening there, try to inform themselves as best they can about the situations. Everyone has their own individual set of moral values. If we inform ourselves, we are better equipped to make the decision for ourselves based on our belief system. I would take anything I hear from any government with a (massive) grain of salt. You have to question their motivations behind boycotts/bans.

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By: Michael https://www.501places.com/2011/02/burma-tibet-china-egypt-what-makes-a-country-worthy-of-a-boycott/#comment-31124 Michael Fri, 25 Feb 2011 17:19:49 +0000 https://www.501places.com/?p=4768#comment-31124 I really don't subscribe to the "don't go, don't visit, don't spend money there" school of thought either. Sometimes interaction with the outside world is what these places need to move forward. I really don’t subscribe to the “don’t go, don’t visit, don’t spend money there” school of thought either. Sometimes interaction with the outside world is what these places need to move forward.

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By: Connie https://www.501places.com/2011/02/burma-tibet-china-egypt-what-makes-a-country-worthy-of-a-boycott/#comment-31118 Connie Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:09:17 +0000 https://www.501places.com/?p=4768#comment-31118 So....I started writing a long, REALLY long, response to your interesting and thought-provoking post. Then I realized the subject matter is far too personal and close to home for me (I'm ethnically half Burmese and have close relatives living in Burma) to effectively comment on in a comment section of your post. I'm going to write my own post about it. Thank you for address this important and significant issue. I'll be back once I have a proper response for you. In short, I do NOT support the travel ban on Burma. With respect to the other countries mentioned, I think it's a case by case basis in determining if an individual is comfortable with traveling to a place that is not advised to travel to and I really don't know enough about the situations to comment. So….I started writing a long, REALLY long, response to your interesting and thought-provoking post. Then I realized the subject matter is far too personal and close to home for me (I’m ethnically half Burmese and have close relatives living in Burma) to effectively comment on in a comment section of your post.

I’m going to write my own post about it.

Thank you for address this important and significant issue. I’ll be back once I have a proper response for you.

In short, I do NOT support the travel ban on Burma. With respect to the other countries mentioned, I think it’s a case by case basis in determining if an individual is comfortable with traveling to a place that is not advised to travel to and I really don’t know enough about the situations to comment.

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By: Andy Jarosz https://www.501places.com/2011/02/burma-tibet-china-egypt-what-makes-a-country-worthy-of-a-boycott/#comment-31101 Andy Jarosz Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:25:50 +0000 https://www.501places.com/?p=4768#comment-31101 Thanks for the comments and for sharing your very personal perspectives and first hand experiences. My instinct says that, as Dan says in his first sentence, banning anything doesn't often help us. Exchange between cultures and sharing beliefs, traditions and experiences can surely only help us to understand each other better. I'm convinced that many of these decisions are based almost wholly on political aims rather than the moral virtues that the politicians attach to them. You only have to witness the world's eagerness to deal with Ghaddafi in recent years despite his well-publicised record. Thanks for the comments and for sharing your very personal perspectives and first hand experiences. My instinct says that, as Dan says in his first sentence, banning anything doesn’t often help us. Exchange between cultures and sharing beliefs, traditions and experiences can surely only help us to understand each other better. I’m convinced that many of these decisions are based almost wholly on political aims rather than the moral virtues that the politicians attach to them. You only have to witness the world’s eagerness to deal with Ghaddafi in recent years despite his well-publicised record.

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By: Dan Martin https://www.501places.com/2011/02/burma-tibet-china-egypt-what-makes-a-country-worthy-of-a-boycott/#comment-31075 Dan Martin Wed, 23 Feb 2011 09:30:05 +0000 https://www.501places.com/?p=4768#comment-31075 I don't think banning anything has a positive affect on the world. I've been to some fairly reprehensible places in my life-in 2007 I cycled from Korea to Cape Town through the Axis of Evil, through North Korea, Tibet, Afghanistan, Turkmenistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Egypt and across North Africa down the West Coast to South Africa through countries with dictators who have done atrocious things both past and present but I never once felt in the wrong for merely going there. I know there are arguments that you are 'propping up the regime' but to see the situation and meet the people face to face is essential for any understanding and I honestly think it works both ways. In North Korea (on a guided tour) I spent an afternoon at an amusement park and got to talk to a big group of North Korean children. I speak a bit of Korean from a year spent teaching in South Korea so tried to answer their questions and they weren't eveil tyrannical questions they were questions, same as ours, about food, customs, culture, people. If we have no cultural exchange and no dialogue then how can we mend these gaping wounds of humanity. I think the last fifty years have taught us that vested interests prevents and change coming from above (i.e. governments) and that the only decisive change has come from groundswell movements. These include the Jasmine Revolution inspired changes going on at the moment in the Arab world as well as slightly less favourable uprisings such as the Taliban, the Maoists in Nepal and the Nationalist parties in western Europe. Change can not be dictated. I don’t think banning anything has a positive affect on the world. I’ve been to some fairly reprehensible places in my life-in 2007 I cycled from Korea to Cape Town through the Axis of Evil, through North Korea, Tibet, Afghanistan, Turkmenistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Egypt and across North Africa down the West Coast to South Africa through countries with dictators who have done atrocious things both past and present but I never once felt in the wrong for merely going there.

I know there are arguments that you are ‘propping up the regime’ but to see the situation and meet the people face to face is essential for any understanding and I honestly think it works both ways. In North Korea (on a guided tour) I spent an afternoon at an amusement park and got to talk to a big group of North Korean children. I speak a bit of Korean from a year spent teaching in South Korea so tried to answer their questions and they weren’t eveil tyrannical questions they were questions, same as ours, about food, customs, culture, people.

If we have no cultural exchange and no dialogue then how can we mend these gaping wounds of humanity. I think the last fifty years have taught us that vested interests prevents and change coming from above (i.e. governments) and that the only decisive change has come from groundswell movements. These include the Jasmine Revolution inspired changes going on at the moment in the Arab world as well as slightly less favourable uprisings such as the Taliban, the Maoists in Nepal and the Nationalist parties in western Europe.

Change can not be dictated.

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By: MaryAnne https://www.501places.com/2011/02/burma-tibet-china-egypt-what-makes-a-country-worthy-of-a-boycott/#comment-30965 MaryAnne Mon, 21 Feb 2011 12:09:20 +0000 https://www.501places.com/?p=4768#comment-30965 I currently live and work in China and before that spent 6 years doing the same in Turkey (another nation with a spotty human rights record). Last summer I spent a month traveling around Burma. I've spent time in Egypt. And a lot of other iffy places, politically. I've had to really wrestle with the ethics of where I've been and a lot of research has gone into it- I didn't enter Myanmar lightly, that's for sure. But you know what? The Burmese I met were happy I came: I ate street food, hired trishaws and private taxis, stayed in small guesthouses, engaged in careful yet thoughtful dialogue with the locals who were almost relieved to know that there were still people out there aware of what was going on at ground level. Here in China, I teach at a university, getting middle class urban kids ready to study abroad. Because I work for an Australian program, I can tackle more serious issues and topics than if I was under Chinese management. My students are starting to think a lot about the world, about ethics, about human rights. Should I not be in China because of what they've done? Maybe, maybe not. But my being here is not one I've taken lightly. I'm starting to wonder if these travel bans are really a good idea for the local people- maybe we do need thoughtful and aware tourists/visitors on the ground to scope out the situation and to protest abuses and to let the locals know they aren't being ignored by the world at large. Bearing witness. I currently live and work in China and before that spent 6 years doing the same in Turkey (another nation with a spotty human rights record). Last summer I spent a month traveling around Burma. I’ve spent time in Egypt. And a lot of other iffy places, politically. I’ve had to really wrestle with the ethics of where I’ve been and a lot of research has gone into it- I didn’t enter Myanmar lightly, that’s for sure. But you know what? The Burmese I met were happy I came: I ate street food, hired trishaws and private taxis, stayed in small guesthouses, engaged in careful yet thoughtful dialogue with the locals who were almost relieved to know that there were still people out there aware of what was going on at ground level.

Here in China, I teach at a university, getting middle class urban kids ready to study abroad. Because I work for an Australian program, I can tackle more serious issues and topics than if I was under Chinese management. My students are starting to think a lot about the world, about ethics, about human rights. Should I not be in China because of what they’ve done? Maybe, maybe not. But my being here is not one I’ve taken lightly.

I’m starting to wonder if these travel bans are really a good idea for the local people- maybe we do need thoughtful and aware tourists/visitors on the ground to scope out the situation and to protest abuses and to let the locals know they aren’t being ignored by the world at large. Bearing witness.

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By: Natalia https://www.501places.com/2011/02/burma-tibet-china-egypt-what-makes-a-country-worthy-of-a-boycott/#comment-30962 Natalia Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:24:50 +0000 https://www.501places.com/?p=4768#comment-30962 Brilliant article Andy, and so true. Especially on the China point - I never quite got my head around why people would travel to China but not Tibet. It is related to other travel issues as well - I had an acquaintance in Australia who would make a big song and dance about people using their air-con and how it was bringing the downfall of the planet due to climate change, yet would then happily jet off to Bali with her family for a holiday. I guess I am similarly hypocritical - I rail against the amount of air travel people take, yet later this year I am flying back to Australia to see family (in my defence, I try to keep my air travel to only once ever two or three years, and only trips where other forms of transport are bloody difficult). It is almost as though we want to be seen as principled people yet also don't want to miss out. Brilliant article Andy, and so true. Especially on the China point – I never quite got my head around why people would travel to China but not Tibet.

It is related to other travel issues as well – I had an acquaintance in Australia who would make a big song and dance about people using their air-con and how it was bringing the downfall of the planet due to climate change, yet would then happily jet off to Bali with her family for a holiday. I guess I am similarly hypocritical – I rail against the amount of air travel people take, yet later this year I am flying back to Australia to see family (in my defence, I try to keep my air travel to only once ever two or three years, and only trips where other forms of transport are bloody difficult). It is almost as though we want to be seen as principled people yet also don’t want to miss out.

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