Comments on: A stranger in need: the traveller’s dilemma of trust https://www.501places.com/2010/04/a-stranger-in-need-the-travellers-dilemma-of-trust/ Travel stories that won't change the world Sat, 06 Apr 2013 00:57:25 +0000 hourly 1 By: Andy Jarosz https://www.501places.com/2010/04/a-stranger-in-need-the-travellers-dilemma-of-trust/#comment-69222 Andy Jarosz Tue, 29 Nov 2011 12:24:06 +0000 https://www.501places.com/?p=2702#comment-69222 I was there James – you should have butted in. Always good to say hello. GIve us a shout next time you’re up at an event in London

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By: James Willcox https://www.501places.com/2010/04/a-stranger-in-need-the-travellers-dilemma-of-trust/#comment-69220 James Willcox Tue, 29 Nov 2011 12:00:18 +0000 https://www.501places.com/?p=2702#comment-69220 I agree with Lavanya. In touristic places you can get “compassion fatigue”. People asking to have a look in their shop or chat for a minute which leads to a sell or a scam. Of course that is where intuition comes in. A young guy near a train station in a heavily touristed city is going to get alarm bells ringing more than an old woman who has broken down way off the beaten track.

Having bummed my fair share of lifts, meals and beds over the years I feel I’m at an age when I should be giving more than I get from strangers. The problem arises with being a tour guide and someone, like Daph, asks us for a lift. As the tour leader I am happy to have someone sit in a spare seat but the group might think it a bit odd that I suddenly start using the tour vehicle as a taxi.

On an unrelated subject, were you at the WTM last weekend Andy. I saw a man deep in conversation who looked like you but I didn’t have the courage to butt in.

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By: Andy Jarosz https://www.501places.com/2010/04/a-stranger-in-need-the-travellers-dilemma-of-trust/#comment-69212 Andy Jarosz Sun, 27 Nov 2011 16:36:19 +0000 https://www.501places.com/?p=2702#comment-69212 Thanks Shaney – it’s a good example of why being nice to people pays off in ways you might not expect. Their snubbing of others didn’t serve them well in the end. In their position I’d have probably had a go at asking around for the park fee (especially if it wasn’t a lot of cash) – but I’d like to think I wouldn’t have acted in such a way beforehand that people wouldn’t want to help me.

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By: Andy Jarosz https://www.501places.com/2010/04/a-stranger-in-need-the-travellers-dilemma-of-trust/#comment-69211 Andy Jarosz Sun, 27 Nov 2011 16:31:38 +0000 https://www.501places.com/?p=2702#comment-69211 Thanks Lavanya – you’re right, and in certain countries the guy comes up and wants to be your friend is very likely to want to sell you stuff/rip you off. While I would probably be quite relaxed about a stranger approaching me in Japan, I might be more suspicious in Egypt and suspect that someone wants me, in some way or other, to part with my $$$. It’s not about racial stereotypes, it’s about relative poverty and the inequality between your perceived wealth and that of the local folks.

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By: Shaney Hudson https://www.501places.com/2010/04/a-stranger-in-need-the-travellers-dilemma-of-trust/#comment-69208 Shaney Hudson Sat, 26 Nov 2011 19:25:41 +0000 https://www.501places.com/?p=2702#comment-69208 I encountered a variation of this on the road- a group of forty backpackers and hikers arrived at at the start of the Torres del Paine backpacker trail and paid up their National Park fees. One couple hadn’t read up on the latest fee hike and didn’t have enough cash to cover their meals, accommodation and national park fees. They weren’t destitute, they were simply careless.

They went down the line asking if people could spot them until they arrived back in town after the hike and had access to cash. My then partner and I saw them coming down the queue not having much luck. Part of me felt for them, but part of me tried to imagine myself in this situation- If I’d been careless like they’d been, I’d have turned around, gone back into town and got more money out and started the trek again the next day. Sure, it would have been a tedious few hours on a bus and a day’s delay, but I’d have no one to blame but myself for it, and no one to owe anything to. I wouldn’t go begging like that, it’s just not me.

The clincher however was that it that we knew this couple from the five day ferry ride we’d taken to the bottom of the world. For five days while everyone chatted and got to know each other, this couple had pretty much isolated themselves. Whenever you’d try to talk to them they’d kind of snub you, or blow you off. We knew them from the boat, sure, but they didn’t want to know us until they wanted something. So intuition told me not to lend them cash- and i didn’t.

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By: Lavanya https://www.501places.com/2010/04/a-stranger-in-need-the-travellers-dilemma-of-trust/#comment-69205 Lavanya Sat, 26 Nov 2011 15:00:42 +0000 https://www.501places.com/?p=2702#comment-69205 Interesting post Andy! Really makes you think doesn’t it? and the same applies not only for people need your help exactly but some who in turn offer help to you! After a while of meeting people who seem to ‘help’ you out only for the whole thing to end in a sales pitch, price tag or a visit to his store! We found this happening to us especially in Egypt… even at the end when we said – alright this time this guy seems genuine, we turned out to be wrong.!. its really important to maintain perspective to avoid your whole experience and interaction with people being marred by the errors of few.

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By: August Blog Scene | Scene by Laurie https://www.501places.com/2010/04/a-stranger-in-need-the-travellers-dilemma-of-trust/#comment-18011 August Blog Scene | Scene by Laurie Thu, 02 Sep 2010 00:38:19 +0000 https://www.501places.com/?p=2702#comment-18011 [...] A Stranger in Need: The Traveler’s Dilemma is yet another thought provoking post by 501 Places. Perfectly timed for the Traveler’s Night In Pay It Forward topic, Andy prompts you to reconsider your philosophy for helping others with his question: “After all, if we look at ourselves traveling through another land, aren’t we the strangers often looking for help from others?” [...]

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By: Andy Jarosz https://www.501places.com/2010/04/a-stranger-in-need-the-travellers-dilemma-of-trust/#comment-14784 Andy Jarosz Fri, 13 Aug 2010 16:52:00 +0000 https://www.501places.com/?p=2702#comment-14784 Thanks for sharing Daph. Sounds like you both had a tough time, and yes I can understand why you’d be VERY pissed off with them. Hope you enjoyed the visit to the Han emperor’s tombs at least!

You’ll have to share the taxi story sometime. We all have a rip-off taxi story or two to share…

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By: daph https://www.501places.com/2010/04/a-stranger-in-need-the-travellers-dilemma-of-trust/#comment-14642 daph Thu, 12 Aug 2010 18:53:44 +0000 https://www.501places.com/?p=2702#comment-14642 Just two months ago, I was in Xi’an, China, travelling when my friend and I decided to go to the tombs of the Han emperor (not the same as the famed terracotta warriors). After taking close to two hours to get to the god-forsaken place, we arrived at 1115 and had no idea that the next bus we could catch back to the city was at 1500; there was a bus at noon, but there was no way we would have finished touring the area in time.

So anyhow, we decided to just tour the place, and hoped that we would be able to find our way out without having to wait four hours for the next bus. During the entire time we were there, there were a group of tourists with their guide (shan’t reveal the nationality of the tourists) walking just behind us and barely anyone else. Later, when we were attempting to leave, we remembered them, and decided to wait and see if we could hitch a ride out in their vehicle; we assumed that if they had a guide, they were likely to also have their own van or car.

So, the two of us Chinese girls (by race, not nationality), approached them and, I’d like to think, very politely spoke to them in English. The first guy we approached completely ignored us; he did not even stop to listen and just walked past us as if we were transparent. The second guy we approached stopped briefly for 2 seconds, then said there was no space in the van.

Suffice to say we were really really pissed then, not because they declined us, but more so because they did not even give us the time of the day. And I sure hope they were not being racist because then there were clearly in the wrong country. I would like to give them the benefit of the doubt that there were just being careful, although I think the two of us, who were about a head shorter than any of them, looked pretty harmless.

So the moral of my very long story/comment is that, the world needs more fellow travellers like you. So thank you!

And if you’re keen to know: we were lucky to find a cab out, and we were fleeced of some $ by the driver, but that’s a completely different story altogether for another day.

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By: James Cole https://www.501places.com/2010/04/a-stranger-in-need-the-travellers-dilemma-of-trust/#comment-11109 James Cole Thu, 15 Jul 2010 11:54:26 +0000 https://www.501places.com/?p=2702#comment-11109 Sometimes, although I find the more you listen to it the louder it gets. This was definitely a case where just I ignored it. I recall having the thoughts beforehand not to go down there, but the desire to explore was greater than my will to listen to my intuition. Plus there was the rebellious side of me that didn’t want to get told not to do something, even if it was me telling myself.

I also think that sometimes it’s hard to pick the difference between your intuitive voice and your conscious voice (considering they sound the same). Now I’m starting to sound like I need a shrink, talking about all these different voices in my head telling me what to do.

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