Comments on: Going native: what’s it all about? https://www.501places.com/2010/02/going-native-whats-it-all-about/ Sharing the world with you Sat, 13 Feb 2010 15:32:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Andy Jarosz https://www.501places.com/2010/02/going-native-whats-it-all-about/#comment-2122 Andy Jarosz Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:28:42 +0000 https://www.501places.com/?p=1864#comment-2122 Thanks Ethan for your valued comments and also for sharing the link to your post, which I would recommend others to visit. I think we're not far apart in our views here, and there's nothing I would disagree with in your post. Spending time with the people we meet on our travels, learning a little about their lives, joining them in eating and drinking and sharing stories of the past; all of these have formed the highlights of many trips for me. I guess the ire in my post was directed at those who do cross the boundary of mutual curiosity and respect, and start to dress and act local, especially so in front of other travellers. I saw this in my recent trip to SE Asia, and it was not pretty. I do appreciate the positive movement towards genuine local travel, particularly CBT, and fully support this as a way to benefit not only the communities but also the tourist, who will gain a far richer and unsanitised experience. Thanks Ethan for your valued comments and also for sharing the link to your post, which I would recommend others to visit. I think we’re not far apart in our views here, and there’s nothing I would disagree with in your post. Spending time with the people we meet on our travels, learning a little about their lives, joining them in eating and drinking and sharing stories of the past; all of these have formed the highlights of many trips for me. I guess the ire in my post was directed at those who do cross the boundary of mutual curiosity and respect, and start to dress and act local, especially so in front of other travellers. I saw this in my recent trip to SE Asia, and it was not pretty. I do appreciate the positive movement towards genuine local travel, particularly CBT, and fully support this as a way to benefit not only the communities but also the tourist, who will gain a far richer and unsanitised experience.

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By: Ethan Gelber https://www.501places.com/2010/02/going-native-whats-it-all-about/#comment-2107 Ethan Gelber Fri, 12 Feb 2010 00:30:39 +0000 https://www.501places.com/?p=1864#comment-2107 While I too see where you're coming from, Andy, I sit in the same camp with Vicky and Stephen. I don't think that 'going local' today means what it used to. In fact, independently of what you've written here (meaning I wrote what I did before I had seen your post), I've argued for something very different in a blog that just went live here (a Lonely Planet Yahoo! travel blog): http://au.travel.yahoo.com/b/insideourlonelyplanet/224/get-lost-go-local/. I don't mean to direct traffic away from your excellent musings here, but I think this presents a valid counterpoint to your point, something perhaps worth debating in wider circles. While I too see where you’re coming from, Andy, I sit in the same camp with Vicky and Stephen. I don’t think that ‘going local’ today means what it used to. In fact, independently of what you’ve written here (meaning I wrote what I did before I had seen your post), I’ve argued for something very different in a blog that just went live here (a Lonely Planet Yahoo! travel blog): http://au.travel.yahoo.com/b/insideourlonelyplanet/224/get-lost-go-local/. I don’t mean to direct traffic away from your excellent musings here, but I think this presents a valid counterpoint to your point, something perhaps worth debating in wider circles.

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By: Stephen Chapman https://www.501places.com/2010/02/going-native-whats-it-all-about/#comment-2091 Stephen Chapman Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:19:44 +0000 https://www.501places.com/?p=1864#comment-2091 I understand what you're saying here Andy. There's little more embarrassing and cringe-worthy than the over enthusiastic visitor who tries to go too local. I think Vicky's interpretation of what it means to seek a local experience is more inline with my school of thought, but unfortunately there are always extremists who let the side down. I always think that the burden of acceptance is as much on the host as it is on the guest. Understanding different cultural behaviours, and human behaviours is a two way street. Both parties are required to compromise and be respectful in my view, we all have things to share. I understand what you’re saying here Andy. There’s little more embarrassing and cringe-worthy than the over enthusiastic visitor who tries to go too local. I think Vicky’s interpretation of what it means to seek a local experience is more inline with my school of thought, but unfortunately there are always extremists who let the side down.

I always think that the burden of acceptance is as much on the host as it is on the guest. Understanding different cultural behaviours, and human behaviours is a two way street. Both parties are required to compromise and be respectful in my view, we all have things to share.

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By: Andy Jarosz https://www.501places.com/2010/02/going-native-whats-it-all-about/#comment-2081 Andy Jarosz Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:33:33 +0000 https://www.501places.com/?p=1864#comment-2081 Thanks Vicky. Your view of going local is a far more positive one than the behaviour that I was having a dig at. And I absolutely agree that some of the most memorable travel experiences have been those interactions with people where they have had little exposure to other cultures, and as a result want to learn as much as they can about your world, while you are equally curious about theirs. Thanks also for steering me to your site. You have some great stories. I was particularly horrified to read about the fake Maoris! I've added your site to my list. Thanks Vicky. Your view of going local is a far more positive one than the behaviour that I was having a dig at. And I absolutely agree that some of the most memorable travel experiences have been those interactions with people where they have had little exposure to other cultures, and as a result want to learn as much as they can about your world, while you are equally curious about theirs.

Thanks also for steering me to your site. You have some great stories. I was particularly horrified to read about the fake Maoris! I’ve added your site to my list.

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By: Vicky Baker https://www.501places.com/2010/02/going-native-whats-it-all-about/#comment-2062 Vicky Baker Wed, 10 Feb 2010 23:22:35 +0000 https://www.501places.com/?p=1864#comment-2062 Hi. Love your blog. I've dipped in from time to time and always found really interesting stuff. I write a lot about the growing trend for 'local' travel. It can, of course, be interpreted in different ways, but I'd never suggest going local means having to dress up and pretend you're something you're not. It's not about leaving your own culture behind. It's more just about meeting the people who live in a place and spending time with them. It's about breaking down barriers and not putting tourists in a special box where they only hang out together in certain, specific places where people who live there never go. Well, that's my interpretation. As for the certain breed of traveller that does try to drop their own culture and pretend to be more local than the locals, well... yes, I see your point on them. Hi. Love your blog. I’ve dipped in from time to time and always found really interesting stuff. I write a lot about the growing trend for ‘local’ travel. It can, of course, be interpreted in different ways, but I’d never suggest going local means having to dress up and pretend you’re something you’re not. It’s not about leaving your own culture behind. It’s more just about meeting the people who live in a place and spending time with them. It’s about breaking down barriers and not putting tourists in a special box where they only hang out together in certain, specific places where people who live there never go. Well, that’s my interpretation. As for the certain breed of traveller that does try to drop their own culture and pretend to be more local than the locals, well… yes, I see your point on them.

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By: Smita https://www.501places.com/2010/02/going-native-whats-it-all-about/#comment-2034 Smita Wed, 10 Feb 2010 07:38:54 +0000 https://www.501places.com/?p=1864#comment-2034 Lost hippies... aptly described....too funny:)) Lost hippies… aptly described….too funny:))

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By: Andy Jarosz https://www.501places.com/2010/02/going-native-whats-it-all-about/#comment-2020 Andy Jarosz Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:00:44 +0000 https://www.501places.com/?p=1864#comment-2020 Thanks Anj. Yes, every nationality has its good bits and people invariably want to know a little bit about who we are, part of that being our own cultures. Keep being yourself :-) Thanks Anj. Yes, every nationality has its good bits and people invariably want to know a little bit about who we are, part of that being our own cultures. Keep being yourself :-)

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By: Anj (@1writergrrl) https://www.501places.com/2010/02/going-native-whats-it-all-about/#comment-2017 Anj (@1writergrrl) Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:09:43 +0000 https://www.501places.com/?p=1864#comment-2017 Too right! As a Yank, I've been all too aware of the bad reputation many from the US have, but I don't see a need to let go of our own cultures entirely - that would be odd. Better to do as you recommend; be ourselves, but be respectful and open to the ways of the culture we are visiting. Great post! Too right! As a Yank, I’ve been all too aware of the bad reputation many from the US have, but I don’t see a need to let go of our own cultures entirely – that would be odd. Better to do as you recommend; be ourselves, but be respectful and open to the ways of the culture we are visiting. Great post!

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